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This is so neat
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Thoughts? Naughty thoughts? Their clothes get mixed in after spending wild and passionate night together in bed. One or the other usually has to leave first, be it for work or other circumstances. So when they stumble out of bed, they take whatever clothes are strewn on the floor—each others t-shirt or pants and even undies. But even when they later realize that they’ve taken the other’s clothes, neither of them bothers to claim their own. Because, why go through the trouble when it’ll happen again?
Too much?
I wrote a fic about this a while ago. Here’s the link if you want to give it a read:
https://archiveofourown.org/works/8098765
Can i just remeber the Malec-fandom taht we will have a after sex-scene between Malec? So please calm down everyone!
One Malec scene does not make up for how badly Malec has been treated.
All the other straight couples have had sexual scenes in bed.
Jace had a scene with a random girl in his bed with hardly any clothes on either of them.
Izzy had a very sexual scene with Meliorn.
Clim*n a non canon couple even had a sex scene!
Malecs intimate scenes are either extremly brief, interrupted or both.
Malec is not treated the same as the straight couples or even the random hook ups.
Malecs first time was them just kissing and backing into the room.
Malec deserves to be treated with a lot more respect.
One scene does not make up for how they have treated Malec and are still treating Malec.
Yes Malec is more than their sexual scenes.
But they are blatantly not treated the same as the other couples.
That is all I am trying to say
I know what you are trying to say and i understand it very well. I love Climon (mostly because of the fun the actors have while filming their scenes) but i see the difference to the Malec scenes there and i am also a little bit grumpy about it.
I know that Climon got domestic a lot faster then malec (casual kisses, casual holding hands (we never saw that with malec before) after sex scenes etc.)
But i also saw the reaction the producer had to our complains after the Malec “sex” scene. And i know they try to make it better BUT:
What i like about all that is: That Malec actually talk about having sex, about their relationship, about kissing, other partners. Noone of the other couples ever talked about that. They just rushed in it. Yeah, Malec is different and sometimes in a bad way, and maybe they treat their relationship too carefully sometimes, but i think they are on a good way, because they actually talk to each other about EVERYTHING. Look at Clace and Climon, they rarley talk.
Yeah,they could handle Malec more like a “normal” straight couple, but never forget they aren’t normal. Magnus is 800-900(?) years old, Alec is a kid to him. And Alec just explore his homosexuality. They aren’t so fast like a straight person who grow up in a heteronormativ world.
You make fair points.
Hopefully Malecs scenes will become longer and not only a few seconds.
Even if it is just them talking and chatting about their lives, Magnus explaining his adventures he has had in his life.
yeah :) Of course i am also hoping for that. And i am allways open for a totally normal casual gay relationship (like: Lito/Hernando from Sense8 or Connor/oliver from HTGAWM)
but i am also okay with a gay relationship that takes it time. Like i said, they aren’t 100% perfect, but a lot better then the most straight and gay relationships we see on screen.
Ya, this show is a lot better at it than a lot of other shows.
There is still plenty of time for them to improve.
There’s a little box sitting in Cas’ room.
The walls are still naked, the bed has no covers and nothing but the occasional borrowed book from the Bunker’s library resting on the nightstand indicates that anyone even lives in this room.
But there’s a hidden box under the bed, a box Dean only found by accident, when he was returning Cas’ freshly washed trenchcoat.
The box is empty - except for two photos (one of Claire, one of Sam and Dean) and a small, frayed black feather.
The box stays in the room, under the bed, even when Cas isn’t there.
It makes Dean breathe lighter, to know that Cas leaves something here that is valuable to him. That way he knows Cas is coming back sooner or later.
And he does.
Every time.
Because there’s something valuable waiting for him back home, in the Bunker.
And Cas wouldn’t abandon him in a million years.
- He stays in bed with Dean after they have sex and watches him though the night. During the day Dean keeos insisting it’s creepy, but when he closes his eyes, he’ll still ask, “Stay?”
- When Dean falls asleep in the kitchen or the library, Cas carries him to bed bridal style. Dean always complains while he buries his head in the crook of Cas’ neck.
- Cas has tried to cook for Dean several times. The problem is that he still doesn’t taste anything except molecules, so his concoctions always end up either way too salty or way too sweet. Dean roles his eyes every time, but deep down he’s touched that Cas is trying to learn a new skill just for him.
- Cas has taken to taking long walks through the countryside around the bunker. He does it during all hours of the day, so there had been several instances where a case had suddenly come up and Dean had to search for up to an hour to find him. Of course, he could pray for Cas to come home, but he loves to witness the expression of contentment and peace on Cas’ feature when he is experiencing nature.
- Cas tends to suddenly lose his ability to clean their bodies with a touch whenever he’s in the mood for shower-sex. On hunts, this is more of a bother to Sam than Dean, who was at least generous enough to buy his brother noise-canceling headphones.
- Dean will never admit it, but he likes being the little spoon. He’s still more then happy to hold Cas whenever his waking nightmares threaten to overwhelm him though.
- Since Cas has moved into the bunker permanently, he’s been the target of a lot of small pranks. It didn’t take him long to catch on though and now he gives as good as he gets. One day, Dean walks into the garage and let’s out a deafening shreak, the likes of which have not been heard in the bunker since people had still been tortured in it’s dungeon. The Impala is bright pink. It turns out to just be a glamour charm after all, but Dean still doesn’t speak to Cas for the rest of the day. He only confesses it to the Impala as he cleans her, but he is secretly relieved that Cas finally feels comfortable enough in their relationship to pull a stint like that.
- Cas has finally watched all existing episodes of Dr. Sexy. He tries to engage Dean in speculation over possible endings and relationship end-games, but Dean always shushes him when Sam is nearby. This provokes matching eye rolls in Sam and Cas each and everytime.
- Cas tends to talk about Claire as if she were their daughter and the way she comes to them for help suggests that she seems to feel the same way. Sometimes, it terrifies Dean. He’s already messed enough people up, no need for him to screw up Claire, too. But then again, he’s always wanted a family of his own and if his “wife” turns out to be a traumatised semi-angel in a male vessel with weird opinions about his favourite soap-opera and an equally traumatised almost grown up hunter in training who is also his boyfriend’s ex-vessel, well, he was never suited for “normal” anyway.
- Cas tells Dean he loves him at least twice a day. The first time, when Dean wakes up in the morning and the second time when he closes his eyes at night. Dean always gets flustered in his patented “I am a grumpy hunter and the most emotionally available person in my life growing up was Bobby Singer”-kind of way, but the mumbled “love you, too” still never ceases to make Cas smile.
Dean and Castiel sharing a motel bed while Sam has one to himself.
Dean told Sam he flipped a coin and Sam won, but in reality he was always going to share a bed with Cas.
They have to be quiet. Sam would notice if they moved too much or if they got too loud.
Dean slides up behind Castiel and buries his fingers deep in Castiel’s greedy hole, slowly pushing them in and out while Castiel whines and bites down on his lip, trying to keep himself quiet.
It takes forever for Dean to make him come like that, just crooking his fingers and brushing them against Castiel’s prostate every now and again. Castiel is panting and breathless when he comes, his whole body trembling in release.
Dean yanks down Castiel’s pants to half-way down his knees and jerks himself off against his backside. It’s quick and it’s dirty for him. He comes between Castiel’s cheeks before rolling on to his back.
Castiel pulls his pants back up and slowly settles down. He’s sticky and overwhelmed. He wants to do more but they’ll save that for the shower while Sam is fetching breakfast for them or maybe they’ll get breakfast and take a detour, park the Impala up and climb into the backseat.
They’ve done it before.
So… as if the actually episode wasn’t painful enough, I went ahead and wrote a coda for it - enjoy :)
It was dark in Dean’s room. The lights had long since been dimmed, the bed sheets pulled up to the hunter’s shoulders, and empty bottles scattered across the floor.
Dean’s doesn’t remember going to bed, but everything is how it should be. His door is closed, the room utterly silent with nothing to hear but the sound of his breathing; slow, tired, and heavy. He can’t remember why his room was littered with discarded glass, all he knew is that their reflective surfaces glinted back at him, watching with a pitiful glow through their clear eyes.
Dean closed his eyes, turning away from their stares, but the glow still shone through his lids — it was too bright, too painful. He rolled over onto his side, forcing his face against the pillow.
Still too bright.
Fine. He would ignore it.
But he couldn’t fall asleep, everything was right but, something was wrong, something was… missing. What was it? Feathers, a coat, a tie…
Aw yes. He remembered now.
Castiel.
You can read it here on Ao3. This is a little different from my usual. It’s kinda smutty. There’s bed sharing and human!Cas. Enjoy!
Dean was in the bed with his eyes closed, but he wasn’t asleep. How could he sleep in his present situation? Even with his eyes closed he knew that across the little gulf between the two motel beds was his brother, mouth agape, the low rumble of air rolling in and out of his sleeping mouth. That wasn’t why he couldn’t sleep though. The reason he couldn’t sleep was right behind him in the same bed. If Cas would just roll over, sleep facing the wall, maybe Dean would be able to sleep. What was really keeping him up though, was the fact that he just knew that Cas was absolutely facing his back and that he was absolutely not asleep.
Dean re-enters his room with the low squeak of his door, absently reminding himself to fix that as he quietly approaches the bed. He and Sam have been up for a while, but Cas is still sleeping, now stretched out over the memory foam. The covers are twisted by his legs and his arms are under the pillow, his underwear-clad ass in the air.
Grinning, Dean crawls onto the bed.
He presses kisses to the back of Cas’s fuzzy thighs and to the dimples in his lower back, working his way up until he’s worshipping his shoulder blades—where, Dean is convinced, his wings would have been.
Lightly nipping at the notch of his spine, the hunter moves to Cas’s stubbled cheek, nuzzling and kissing him until the other groans. “Ugh.”
“Mornin’, Sunshine.”
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You know what’s hilarious? I’m watching Friends (well, it’s on in the background) and it only takes until season 2, episode 7 for Ross and Rachel to get together (for the first time).
AND YET at the time I remember thinking—and all the cultural discussions around it also agreed—that it was taking FOREVER! Like, if you need yet another example of hetero shipping vs. non-hetero shipping having different standards.
Now, I know we in the Destiel fandom like to roll our eyes at the sweet summer children of other fandoms and ships (insert Ben Affleck with cigarette meme). And we are right, of course. But I’m curious about whether you guys think, in addition, that it’s also a genre thing or if TV has “aged out” of those expectations or something else. Thoughts?
See I always found Dean/Cas very similar to the model they used in Ugly Betty in the relationship between Daniel and Betty. Spoilers for Ugly Betty ahead.
It was a legitimate endgame romance. I don’t mean endgame in the sense that they got together and broke up a few times during the show and then ended up together in the end. I mean it in the sense that the fact that they had romantic feelings for each other wasn’t explicitly addressed until the very end of the show. They grew together, he was a mess, she wasn’t the type of person that he ever saw himself being with, but they grew closer and closer over the seasons, until Betty was the most important person in Daniel’s life. Interestingly, I don’t know if you could say that Daniel was the most important person in Betty’s life, because she was very close to her family and just as much screentime (if not more) was devoted to her relationship with her family as was with Daniel.
They grew to be in a quasi/almost marriage but they had never explicitly admitted/shown any romantic feelings for each other. It was all subtext, stolen glances, being the only person the other could truly be honest and be themselves with. Supporting each other, and any time something bad happened they were each other’s person, the one they would call for moral support. In fact I think when Daniel went through a major loss, all he said to Betty was ‘’I need you’’, and she went straight to him.
They had plenty of people, usually antagonists, flippantly talking about how they were in love or sleeping together, but they both always either dismissed it or ignored it, it was never taken seriously or discussed.
They were never going to get together at any point during the show, because they way their arcs were set up, particularly Daniel’s, realising that he had romantic feelings for Betty, seeing her as an equal. In fact here’s what the actor who plays Daniel himself said about their relationship:
Right so he had issues with love because of his withholding father, who criticised everything, who treated him like he would never be enough, who always seemed to value his brother over him. His father who died suddenly before he could get any closure on any of these issues. And then along comes this person who he never saw as someone he could be with. They build their relationship slowly, from an antagonistic one (only in the first episode really), to allies, to friends, to partners, to family, to something else, something more. She helps him accept himself, forces him to grow. And in return, since she’s always had to be the strong one in her family - gives her a place where she can let out her emotions/feelings/ambitions without judgement. He helps her believe in herself more, shows her she deserves more in life than she’s currently resigned herself to.
Sound familiar at all? Almost like it’s a trope or something.
It’s not till the end, the finale in fact, that all this growth finally leads to point where their issues have been resolved enough to be in a romance, and that’s the point where the show actually addresses the fact that these feelings might be more than just friendship
The ending of the show is more of the beginning of the relationship. Daniel makes a grand gesture, he gives up everything just so he can go and be with Betty. There is no big sweeping kiss, or explicit moment where they confess their love for each other, it’s just a simple ‘’Can I take you to dinner?’’, because it’s the beginning of them moving into this new phase of their relationship.
Now that’s I think where the biggest difference is between Dean/Cas and Daniel/Betty. Although there was no kiss/physical moment, and they’d been friends all these years, supported each other through various romantic partners, and never acknowledged explicitly that they were in love (even towards the end, a lot of it was expressed through longing glances and looks), people had no problem with accepting them as romantic. There weren’t denials (not that I saw maybe there were some), people didn’t call those who saw ‘’Detty” delusional, no media outlets that covered the show had any issue with the fact that Daniel and Betty got together, it was basically just a widely accepted delusion.
But with Dean and Cas that isn’t the case. Destiel already has already used more romantic tropes, Daniel never made Betty a mixtape. And yet in a lot of places and with a lot of people, Destiel isn’t even accepted as a valid interpretation, let alone the forgone conclusion that Daniel/Betty were. So they could pull the ambiguous endgame model that they did with Detty, but it wont have the same effect or acceptance, for the sole reason that hetero is clear and accepted by everybody, and anything else is not.
TLDR: The closest example of an ‘’endgame romance’’ model I’ve seen to compare Destiel to is Daniel/Betty from Ugly Betty. I personally found it a really interesting and satisfying way of exploring the evolution of their relationship and showing the growth of the characters as individuals, and how that growth would eventually lead them together and to complement each other as their perfect endgame. For lack of a better way to phrase this, being together was their reward for all the growth and everything they had learned, particularly for Daniel, but for Betty to. But being M/M Dean and Cas face these extra challenges that Daniel and Betty didn’t, mostly on a societal, representation etc level rather than a narrative one. So I don’t know it’s a tricky one for that reason. I guess it all depends on how explicit they ever get with destiel, but narratively speaking Destiel is following a very similar trajectory to the one that Daniel and Betty did on the other show.
This is a fascinating point and one I’ve talked to death myself, but never before with the Ugly Betty model, which is fairly spot on. We can talk all day about parallels in other relationships, but one of the biggest complaints I hear from within my own LGBT wing is that hetero romances don’t get the lowkey endings we have to read into things with – but honestly, a lot of the time, like with Detty, they do; the problem isn’t in the lowkey ending, realistically – it’s with culture’s want to dismiss out-of-hand the obviously coded moments. That is to say.
Fascinatingly, let’s look at Dean’s endgame script. They clarify it’s not about the sexual, and this manifest on screen. So unless you want to flag around that any time you’re supportive to a guy you kissed 82 years ago it’s clearly you getting into a relationship with him, because of that kiss itself ages ago – rather than the implication of the moment – where else have we seen this before. Minding, one part of this script didn’t manifest in the Dean-Lisa moment: “A tear runs down his cheek.” Feel free to rewatch. The tear never happened. We still got the meaning. Even before S6 aired. Nobody argued anything.
So where have we seen this again.
“It’s never too late.”
He gives a nod.
Unexpectedly, he steps forward
and holds her*. Surprised, she* holds him right back.
This isn’t even overtly sexual. It’s comforting. He’s a lost soul, and she’s* his home.
I mean, sure enough, Sam steps in afterward, but that’s not who the never too late focused on (which is why antis were screaming in tptb mentions about ‘why did it only focus on Dean’ after 13.5). That’s not who the faith arc focused on. That’s not who lost all faith. That’s not who was shadowed by the cross. That’s not who got all his faith back. That’s not who gave the other a mixtape. That’s not who each other’s weakness was. That’s not who any of this focused on.
But what do we get out of this? Nah, fam. It doesn’t mean anything. It’s just a bro hug. Because reasons, and stuff. Lisa, uh, kissed Dean once in 1492 and boned him like a decade before that, that’s what was clearly meaningful about that.
And people somehow don’t see the problem with this narrative. And again, I double back to The Problem With Dreamhunter which discusses the intersectional representation issues that WLW vs MLM have, but otherwise, hones down to this same point.
To pretend that this isn’t an issue about MLM phobias (or, at best, some people who happen to not appreciate it unwittingly nesting amidst people who anchor in it to join in resisting it) is… absurd at this point.
It’s not that hetero pairings never truly slow burn into a quiet ending. It’s that people are currently dealing with a phobic society and are tired of being called insane, and being dismissed out of hand. They want that bold affirmation because it’s the only way people will accept the MLM Version of Detty, the only way they’ll accept the MLM Version of Dean Lisa, the MLM version of Dreamhunter. Once the phobic ability to even talk it away is cut off at the knees, the people who are just screaming because it’s not their favorite ship or whatever are left stranded in a field of awkward and sort of ironically exposed for who they’ve been chilling with to support it.
That’s the reality of why people want more of it.
Slow burn is an art that manifests modernly like Detty. I’m in no way saying DreamHunter is a slow burn, because it’s an ironic flash in the pan of identical moments to a mirror pair by identical authors, but it’s just to sort of offset the other face of the issue when framing it into conversation. Detty here is a perfect example of how, yes, sometimes hetero pairs do end in a quiet resolution, but the issue is the “go to dinner” line would be talked away in our fandom. Hell, it HAS been talked away. Hell, they HAVE gone to dinner.
It’s more that framing a romance like Detty kind of squares out exactly where our problem lies, and it’s somewhere along the lines of The Problem With Dreamhunter and other far more obvious social issues.
The problem isn’t slow burn. The problem isn’t that quiet endings are hiding relationships. It’s that if you don’t get loud, they will intentionally miss the point. Which is another ironic trap set up for the LGBT+ community, because in the same breath, the second it’s made overt enough it can’t be talked away we get slammed that we have to make everything about sex/kissing because they intentionally ignore the romance until it hits that and then start screaming about SJWs ruining things™.
The problem isn’t in the storytelling. And realistically it hasn’t changed in slow burns for a long time – X Files is pretty old, too. The problem is with culture.
